Is Spelling Really “Debunked”? An Advocate Responds | Talk Tracks S2 E44

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This is a podcast episode, hosted by Ky Dickens, featuring guest David Kaufer, a writer and advocate whose non-speaking autistic son Stone communicates via spelling and letter boards. The conversation centers on a New York Times opinion essay, written by the mother of an autistic non-speaking son, which argued that facilitated communication, rapid prompting method, and spelling to communicate lack scientific support and may reflect facilitator influence rather than the non-speaker's own words. Kaufer pushes back against the essay's claims using his family's experience, cited research on eye-gazing and conflicts of interest in autism intervention studies, and advocacy around a New York state bill on communication rights, while the essay's core claims about validity and facilitator influence remain a point of tension running through the discussion. Stone joins near the end of the episode to answer questions himself via spelling.

[01:19] The episode was prompted by a New York Times opinion essay titled 'Profound Autism Is Difficult Enough Without This Debunked Method,' written by the mother of an autistic non-speaking son.

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[01:32] The essay argued that facilitated communication, rapid prompting method, and spelling to communicate do not produce autonomous communication because messages may be consciously or unconsciously influenced by facilitators.
[01:48] The essay cited historical message-passing studies in which a non-speaker's response reflected information the facilitator had seen rather than what the non-speaker had seen.
[01:59] The essay also argued spelling to communicate offers families false hope, can override a non-speaker's independently expressed preferences, and diverts resources from other forms of support.
[03:18] David Kaufer said his son Stone was diagnosed on the autism spectrum just before his third birthday.

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[07:18] Kaufer said the school specifically cited ASHA (the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association) as the reason for denying letter boards for Stone.
[07:33] Kaufer described ASHA as one of the most prominent anti-spelling organizations, stating that information obtained through facilitated communication should not be considered the communication of the person with a disability.
[08:11] Kaufer said the family hired an education law attorney, fought the school district, and reached a settlement in which the district paid for Stone's education.
[12:20] Kaufer said the New York Times should be shamed for platforming the essay's opinion without providing a counter viewpoint, stated without evidence given.
[13:21] Kaufer said the essay's two central claims were that science doesn't support the method and that a facilitator may be consciously or unconsciously influencing what's spelled.
[13:53] Kaufer argued the method has not been scientifically disproven either, stated without evidence given.
[19:35] Kaufer referenced a 1995 message-passing study involving seven adults, roughly 30 years old, that is still frequently cited as definitive evidence against authorship in facilitated communication.
[19:52] In that 1995 study, the non-speaking participant and facilitator were sometimes shown different images, such as a telephone versus a hat, and the response given matched the image the facilitator saw.
[20:38] Kaufer attributed speech difficulty in non-speaking autistic individuals partly to apraxia, described as a brain-body disconnect where the body doesn't do what the brain wants.
[21:59] Kaufer said that during a school district's message-passing test, Stone intentionally answered all questions wrong because he didn't want to return to that school.
[23:28] Kaufer noted the 1995 study is controversial because while some interpret it as evidence of facilitator influence, others interpret it as evidence of telepathy.
[24:26] Kaufer said Stone has composed original creative works, including songs and poems, showing a consistent and unique voice, which Kaufer said is what he looks at to assess authorship.
[25:07] The essay attributed facilitator influence to the ideomotor effect, the idea that a person can make small unconscious movements that guide an outcome without realizing it.
[26:08] Kaufer argued the ideomotor effect has not been proven to show influence from one individual to another, citing a study where researchers concluded there wasn't enough evidence to draw that conclusion.
[27:55] Kaufer referenced an eye-gazing study by Jaswal at the University of Virginia in 2020 that used eye tracking with nine experienced non-speaking letter board users who pointed independently while an assistant held the board.
[28:21] Researchers in the Jaswal study found participants often looked at the correct letter before pointing to it, and the speed, accuracy, timing, and gaze patterns made facilitator cueing unlikely.
[28:44] Kaufer said the message-passing test is not a validated study and is not listed in the Mental Measurements Yearbook, meaning there is no standard administration or scoring metric for it.
[29:48] Kaufer claimed the message-passing test looks good on the surface but probably fails 95 out of 100 times on a first attempt due to motor control breaking down under stress, stated without evidence given.
[31:09] Kaufer cited a new study published in April that examined 119 autism intervention papers across eight applied behavior analysis journals.
[31:19] That study found 93% of papers included at least one author who also worked as a paid ABA provider or consultant, yet only 8% disclosed any conflict of interest.
[31:34] Among papers explicitly stating there were no conflicts, researchers identified undisclosed clinical or consultancy ties in 93% of them.
[35:03] Kaufer said Stone is getting a 3.85 GPA in high school level education, which Kaufer credited to the school access Stone gained from communicating.
[36:11] Kaufer said he has spent something like 2,000 hours with Stone since he began communicating.
[43:53] Kaufer said studies show up to 75% of autistic individuals have reported being abused, with the figure especially high among non-speakers, whom he called 'the most vulnerable population.'
[47:56] Kaufer said last summer the New York State legislature passed a bill recognizing all forms of communication (letter boards, AAC devices, communication partners) for all residents, passing 159 to zero.
[48:47] Kaufer said Senator Fahey, head of the disability community for the New York Senate, inserted two last-minute amendments requiring a 'valid communication method,' defined as needing a billing insurance code, which excludes spelling-to-communicate since no such code exists.
[49:39] Kaufer is asking New York residents to contact senators, including Senator Fahey, to remove the amendments and bring the bill to the Senate in its original form.
[45:58] Stone, spelling via facilitator, said he is totally excited and thinks this will help people.
[46:12] Stone said he is more motivated to help non-speakers than ever.
[46:26] Stone's message to non-speakers listening was to keep up their hopes to communicate.
[46:42] Regarding the New York Times piece, Stone said they need to do a better job showing that non-speakers totally can communicate.
[10:52] Kaufer said, 'once you see it, you can't unsee it,' describing his reaction after his first session at a San Diego communication immersion.

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